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W123 300D Laag vibrerend/afwisselend geluid

Berichtdoor DarkRaverNL » 29 jul 2012, 12:36

Tijdens het rijden (zo rond de 100kmu) viel mij op dat er een laag vibrerend/afwisselend geluid merkbaar is, als je met het gaspedaal speelt veranderd de afwisseling van het geluid, als je gaspedaal los laat blijft het geluid hetzelfde (wisselt niet meer af) als je gaspedaal intrapt wisselt het sneller af (zonder dat je echt veel sneller/langzamer gaat), is dit gewoon het motor geluid van een oude diesel of is er misschien ergens een steun versleten of nog erger iets kapoet?

In het onderstaande filmpje hoor je het geluid best wel goed...



Je hoort het geluid nauwelijks als je zachter rijdt, en als je nog harder rijdt word het geluid ook harder, maar je voelt het ook in je stoel trillen.

Rond 00:34 hoor je het goed als ik het gaspedaal los laat om de andere Mercedes voor te laten, dan is het geluid gelijk eentonig...
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Re: W123 300D Laag vibrerend/afwisselend geluid

Berichtdoor DarkRaverNL » 30 jul 2012, 21:33

Keine ahnung?

Ik hoorde laatst bij de Maas een schip voorbij varen die eigenlijk hetzelfde geluid produceerde... Vommmm....vommmm....vommmm ??
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Re: W123 300D Laag vibrerend/afwisselend geluid

Berichtdoor Witte_W123 » 30 jul 2012, 21:50

Cardan, denk ik....

Gr.,

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Re: W123 300D Laag vibrerend/afwisselend geluid

Berichtdoor Frankie68 » 30 jul 2012, 22:02

gaat het weg als je de koppeling indrukt op die snelheid?
die van mij bromt ook een beetje..
als ik de koppeling indruk is het weg, dus echt weg..

misschien bij jou een wiellager?
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Re: W123 300D Laag vibrerend/afwisselend geluid

Berichtdoor DarkRaverNL » 30 jul 2012, 22:05

Automaat, als ik m in N zet is t weg lijkt t wel, maar ik durf m met hoge snelheid niet in N te zetten, kan dit wel rond de 80kmu? Daaronder hoor/voel je het niet echt...

Als het een lager oid zou zijn, waarom verandert het dan direct als ik het gas pedaal gebruik? Ik bedoel ik ga niet direct echt sneller ofzo... Daarom zat ik meer aan de motor zelf te denken...

Als het de cardan is, zou een vervanging van de Hardy schijven dit verhelpen? Ik vond ze er niet bepaald slecht uit zien, misschien wel verhard door het lange stilstaan?
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Re: W123 300D Laag vibrerend/afwisselend geluid

Berichtdoor Frankie68 » 30 jul 2012, 22:32

idd..

een wiellager moet je ten allen tijde horen als hij versleten is..
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Re: W123 300D Laag vibrerend/afwisselend geluid

Berichtdoor Witte_W123 » 30 jul 2012, 22:55

Als het het cardan is, dan gaat het geluid in frequentie omhoog met toenemende snelheid. Het geluid verdwijnt bij het loslaten van het gas omdat dan de lagers (in het cardan) niet belast worden. Dat heeft dus volgens mij niets met de hardy schijven van doen.

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Re: W123 300D Laag vibrerend/afwisselend geluid

Berichtdoor Mark300DT » 30 jul 2012, 23:48

if it's not broke fix it until it is
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Re: W123 300D Laag vibrerend/afwisselend geluid

Berichtdoor DarkRaverNL » 31 jul 2012, 09:46

Bedankt voor het verdere mee denken, ik zal eens op hogere snelheid de automaat in N zetten en luisteren wat ik hoor, ik zal het tevens opnemen en dan hier weer posten dan kunnen jullie mee luisteren :)

@mark, voel jij de vibratie, die gepaard met het geluid gaat, ook in je stoel?? Het is echt heeeeel laag maar als je harder rijdt wordt het geluid ook wat harder en de vibratie steviger...
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Re: W123 300D Laag vibrerend/afwisselend geluid

Berichtdoor Ralf T » 31 jul 2012, 11:55

Klinkt als het cardan. Ik had dit ook bij mijn W124. Vervangen van het cardan was de enige remedie, na inspectie door een Mercedes-Benz Classic Partner.
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Re: W123 300D Laag vibrerend/afwisselend geluid

Berichtdoor DarkRaverNL » 31 jul 2012, 12:04

Zover ik begreep is er een andere bak in gegaan 4j geleden en ook de cardan as, deze is ook gebalanceerd destijds omdat er gebonk was, Aldus de buurman (waarvan ik de auto gekocht heb). Wat is er mis met de cardan dan als hij dit geluid maakt? Ik bedoel zoveel boeiends zit er toch niet op zon as wat kapot gaat... En is er indirect gevaar om hiermee door te rijden?
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Re: W123 300D Laag vibrerend/afwisselend geluid

Berichtdoor Mark300DT » 31 jul 2012, 12:34

Schijnen ze oud mee te kunnen worden :-) maar het zijn de lagers ik denk dat het ook wel te reviseren is als je de ruimte heb om te kunnen sleutelen.

Omruilen voor een ander differentieel kan ook maar ja die zijn ook niet nieuw en je moet de exacte verhouding hebben voor wat er nu onder zit.

Bij mij hoor ik echt alleen tussen de 90 en de 110, niet daar onder of daar boven. Geen trilling dus ik denk bij mij de banden.

Maar ik kan even niet rijden want de olieleiding van de automaat bak is lek.

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Re: W123 300D Laag vibrerend/afwisselend geluid

Berichtdoor Sterman » 05 aug 2012, 19:17

Vanuit je stoel een diagnose stellen is zeker risicovol, maar iki zou met vrijwel zekerheid durven te zeggen dat dit niet de cardan is. Bij cardanproblemen zijn er grosso modo 2 type problemen te onderscheiden. Brommen of janken wat varieert bij belasting, dat is slijtage op de tandwielen waar ie meestal oud mee kan worden. Continu brommen wat simpleweg evenredig toeneemt met de snelheid, ook als je de koppeling intrapt of in N zet, dat is meestal een versleten lager bij het pignonwiel. Van vibratie is nooit sprake. Ik heb hier nog een 200D W124 staan met dit laatste euvel. Overigens kan je het beste de auto op de brug op een steun zetten en met draaiende motor in D met een stethoscoop overal waar een lager zit aantikken en luisteren. Hem je m meestal zo gevonden. Jouw verhaal horende zou ik het in de cardanas zoeken of eerder nog in de bak.

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Re: W123 300D Laag vibrerend/afwisselend geluid

Berichtdoor Witte_W123 » 06 aug 2012, 22:02

Mee eens, in plaats van een stethoscoop kun je ook gewoon een stuk staal, bv een verlengstuk van een ratel, ertegen aan zetten en met een oor tegen het andere eind. Dan hoor je het ook wel...

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Re: W123 300D Laag vibrerend/afwisselend geluid

Berichtdoor DarkRaverNL » 07 aug 2012, 14:18

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Re: W123 300D Laag vibrerend/afwisselend geluid

Berichtdoor Trouwkoets » 07 aug 2012, 15:32

Dat zier er niet goed uit Sebastiaan. Succes.
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Re: W123 300D Laag vibrerend/afwisselend geluid

Berichtdoor Mark300DT » 07 aug 2012, 16:47

dat was kort plezier van de Benz :(

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Re: W123 300D Laag vibrerend/afwisselend geluid

Berichtdoor Saw123 » 07 aug 2012, 18:05

Flink balen. Je probeert de puntjes op de I te zetten en dan word je weer naar achteren gerukt door zoiets. Hoop dat iedereen ongedeerd is gebleven, dat is toch het aller belangrijkste.

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Re: W123 300D Laag vibrerend/afwisselend geluid

Berichtdoor Witte_W123 » 07 aug 2012, 21:22

Balen! Sterkte!
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Re: W123 300D Laag vibrerend/afwisselend geluid

Berichtdoor Martin123T » 07 aug 2012, 22:08

Wat is er gebeurd?
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