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Radio - ruis

Berichtdoor DouweMeer » 11 apr 2014, 11:19

Bij mijn 'even voorstellen' had ik het er al even over. Als ik m'n radio aan doe, werkt hij prima. Voor geprogrammeerde zender staan erin met z'n FM kanaal. Echter, als ik 'm aan doe, alleen maar ruis. Er werd gezegd kabel tussen radio en antenne, of de antenne zelf, of kabel breuk in de radio. Ik heb nu een aantal fotootjes gemaakt van m'n radio. Kan iemand er iets aan opmerken? Volgens mij kan er een CD in, die dat ga ik zo proberen.

Is er misschien iets verkeerd aangesloten? Anders moet ik de zijkant in m'n achterbak even losmaken.

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Re: Radio - ruis

Berichtdoor 280 '76 » 11 apr 2014, 13:52

Als je alles goed hebt aangesloten (+ goed, - goed en speakers goed) en je hebt toch nog ruis dan zou ik het in de antenne zoeken. kabelbreuk, slechte aansluiting achter in de radio of gewoon een hele slechte antenne. Probeer eerst eens een CD. Als er dan muziek uit komt dan weet je in ieder geval zeker dat je het apparaat juist hebt aangesloten.
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Re: Radio - ruis

Berichtdoor DouweMeer » 11 apr 2014, 14:20

Nou, ik heb 'm niet aangesloten. Dat was ie al. Maar CD erin en prima geluid. Dus dat wordt kijken naar de antenne. Hoe haal ik het paneel links in de achterbak los? Gewoon een paar schroefjes en dan flink trekken?

Ik vermoed dat RF -/+ Right Front betekent en LF -/+ Left front. LR zou dan Left rear kunnen zijn.
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Re: Radio - ruis

Berichtdoor WJ15129 » 11 apr 2014, 15:07

Het paneel in de achterbak zit gewoon los. Er zijn mensen die hem er met grof geweld uittrekken, maar ik schroef altijd de bekledingsplaat die tegen de tank zit er even uit (4 schroefjes). Dat werkt wat netter.
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Re: Radio - ruis

Berichtdoor DouweMeer » 11 apr 2014, 21:04

Ik ben even gaan schroeven en trekken. Onderstaande foto's zijn het resultaat. 2 vragen.

1, hoe kan ik zien/ meten waar het probleem zit.
2, dafuq is die metalen staaf die los bungelt aan de bovenkant.

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Re: Radio - ruis

Berichtdoor Tony MB » 12 apr 2014, 08:58

Waar zit de kabel in deze antennes?
Wat is die staaf? Dat is toch niet je antennekabel (Coax kabel)?
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Re: Radio - ruis

Berichtdoor Hans230CE » 12 apr 2014, 09:16

Doe eens het volgende :
- zet de radio aan en neem de antenne vast, verbetering?
= ja : antenne kapot, nieuwe erop en hoppa
= neen : dan je antenne aansluiting nalopen van voor naar achter, want dan zit je ergens met een breuk of losse verbinding ergens tussen de radio en de antennestaaf. Die Hirsschman schuift toch normaal uit????

Die staaf heeft niets te maken met je antenne, maar hoort wel bovenaan vast te zitten.
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Re: Radio - ruis

Berichtdoor Coupe280 » 12 apr 2014, 16:02

die staaf is voor de kabel van je schuifdak .
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Re: Radio - ruis

Berichtdoor Bob » 12 apr 2014, 19:32

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Re: Radio - ruis

Berichtdoor DouweMeer » 12 apr 2014, 20:50

De (auto)radio dinges geval werkt wel, maar de radio functie werkt niet. De CD functie op m'n (auto)'radio' werkt wel. Ik heb geen idee hoe dat ding echt heet. Zet ik de radio functie aan, krijg ik alleen maar ruis en hij vind geen enkele zender (dus ook geen vage geluiden in de ruis zelf).

De antenne gaat niet meer op en neer en ziet eruit alsof hij dat al een hele tijd niet meer heeft gedaan. De binnenkant van het doosje van de hirschmann ziet er nog mooi uit, maar de onderste schroef kreeg ik niet los. Dus geen foto daarvan, of een goede blik.

De staaf die los bungelt voelt massief aan en is van staal ofzo. Het is geen kabel, maar een stijf iets. Misschien iets van de achterklep ofzo en losgeschoten? Maar dat is niet de issue hier. Radio is belangrijker :).

Ik had net een spanning tester gekocht in de hoop dat het me kan helpen. Moet ik dan de radio functie aan doen van m'n autoradio en dan alle snoertje langs gaan? Dat er dan in ieder geval 1 met 0 spanning moet zijn en 1 met 12 Volt?
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Re: Radio - ruis

Berichtdoor Bob » 12 apr 2014, 23:55

Ok... nu kan ik er chocola van maken. Maw de cd speler doet het maar overschakelen naar de radio geeft geen geluid.
Dan heb je in ieder geval dat het laag frequente gedeelte werkt ( nl je hoort de CD), en krijgt ook 12 volt.
Nu de Radio testen.
Zo te lezen is het met de antenne een zooitje. Trek dan de antenne uit de radio en neem er een stuk ( 1 á 2 meter) montage-draad . Natuurlijk 1 of 2 cm blank maken en dubbel vouwen ipv de antenne waar de dunne pen inzit van de eigenlijke antenne. Dit is nu je antenne en als de radio goed is moet je nu stations ontvangen.
Zonder dat stuk draad hoor je bij autoradio niets (alleen wat ruis) . Een autoradio is met opzet goed afgeschermd om niet gevoelig te zijn van storing v/d auto, dus hij heeft echt een externe antenne nodig om te ontvangen.
Hoor je nu nog niets dan is het radio gedeelte echt stuk. Dus laten repareren of zo.

Als ie het wel iets doet met dat stuk draad, dan weet je dat je aan de gang moet met die antenne

Hoop dat dat je hier wat aan hebt, gr. Bob
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Re: Radio - ruis

Berichtdoor Robin-H » 13 apr 2014, 09:05

De radio kan ik je niet mee helpen, maar zoals anderen al gezegd hebben: de buis is hol van binnen, daar gaat je schuifdak-kabel in als je het dak open doet.
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Re: Radio - ruis

Berichtdoor Hans230CE » 13 apr 2014, 12:13

.... en moet bovenaan je koffer vast hangen, om even te vervolledigen :D

Nu komt de aap uit de mouw, je antenne beweegt niet. In de veronderstelling dat het hier om een volautomatische gaat:

- aan zo een antenne heb je 3 draden
1) constante 12V + [aanwezig en krijgy die stroom???]
2) stuurdraad van je radio naar de antenne [is die aangesloten????]
3) massa [kan zijn dat de massa rechtstreeks via het "huis" van de antenne wordt genomen]
en dan eigenlijk 4), zijnde je antennekabel

Op je foto heb je een stuur aansluiting op je radio, zie dat geel vierkantje op de foto, maar zit daar iets aangesloten???

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Nu is de vraag, geeft die door naar de antenne?

Je constante +12v; makkelijk te controleren, de kofferbak verlichting = constante +12V
Massa controleren op oxidatie, ik weet dat ik aan het vloeken ben want een W123 heeft geen corrosie :whistling

Verder vind ik, en wie ben ik, je bedrading een puinhoop, allemaal rood. Ik denk dat je best eens een zaterdag-oprit-klus ervan kan maken en alle bedrading vervangen door gecodeerde bedrading:
- per speaker een kleurcode,
- constante +12v oranje,
- geschakelde +12v rood,
- antenne-sturing blauw.

dit zijn de meest gangbare kleurcodes die worden gebruikt.
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Re: Radio - ruis

Berichtdoor DouweMeer » 13 apr 2014, 16:26

@Hans, Ik weet niet wat wat is van de draadjes die eruit steken. Kan alleen beetje gokken. En kan ik ook meteen zo'n gemakkelijk in-klik-blokjes-systeem gebruiken zoals in de moderne radio's erbij zit als ik de draadjes vervang.

Ik heb net even alles na-"gemeten" met een spanningsvoeler. Als de radio functie aanstaat, staat op alles spanning. Ook op een los draadje (4e plaatje van eerste bericht, hangt tegen dashboard). Zou dat de 'antenne ontvangst' kunnen zijn. Al staat er wel spanning op, ondanks ontbreken van verbinding. Op dezelfde foto staat ook een blauw draadje. Deze komt uit de auto en heeft ook spanning als de radio functie aanstaat, niet als ie uit staat. Dit geldt echter ook als de cd functie aanstaat. Als de auto radio uitstaat, staat er maar op 1 draadje spanning.

In de achterbak is de antenne verbonden met 2 blokjes die in elkaar geschoven worden. Blokjes gescheiden en bij het aan zijn van de radio functie, staat er op 1 van de 3 gaatjes stroom (geen foto). Dit blokje is voor zover ik zie de enige verbinding met de antenne.

Ik stel me zo voor, de 2 losse draadjes verbinden en dat zou kunnen werken, of zet je dan plus tegenover plus?
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Re: Radio - ruis

Berichtdoor DouweMeer » 15 apr 2014, 23:40

Ik heb nu zo'n moment van... oooow, mmm, okey.

Dus die dikke grijze kabel aan de achterkant is het radiosignaal...? En hij is zo dik voor isolatie om verstoring van andere kabels te voorkomen.

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Mijn vermoeden voor de functie van de kabeltjes:
1+2 : Left front + en -.
3+4 : Right front + en -.
5 : Een of andere back up vermoed ik.
6 : Ground
7 : ACC - radio krijg elektriciteit als contact aan staat.
8 : Antenne omhoog als contact aan staat.
9 : kleine zwarte ofzo - onbekend
10 : Dikke grijze - Antenne signaal?

Kleine vondst, onderstaande kabel heb ik verbonden met de 8e kabel. Blijkbaar werkte m'n antenne toch. Ging omhoog en omlaag.

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2014-04-15 17.14.38.jpg
Op en neer
2014-04-15 17.14.38.jpg (103.96 KiB)

Geen idee wat onderstaande kabel is.

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2014-04-15 17.02.58.jpg
Onbekend blauw
2014-04-15 17.02.58.jpg (173.22 KiB)

Iemand een idee welke het signaal zou moeten bevatten?

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2014-04-15 16.46.25.jpg
Kabel met kleur
2014-04-15 16.46.25.jpg (122.61 KiB)

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2014-04-15 16.46.02.jpg
Antenne
2014-04-15 16.46.02.jpg (105.89 KiB)

Dit lijkt me inkomende elektriciteit

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2014-04-15 17.02.39.jpg
Inkomende elektriciteit
2014-04-15 17.02.39.jpg (129.79 KiB)

Dit zijn als 't goed is de luidsprekers.

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Re: Radio - ruis

Berichtdoor Tony MB » 15 apr 2014, 23:59

Als de antenne omhoog staat, heb je dan nog steeds ruis?
Die dikke grijze kabel is de antenne kabel.
Dit is een coax kabel = is 1 koperen kern, omgeven door witte kunststof (isolatie) met daarrond weer een geweven koperen of vertind gaas (afscherming) daar rond zit weer de grijze buitenmantel, de koperen kern mag nooit het geweven scherm raken anders werkt je antenne niet ook niet met het kleinste draadje. Je kan dit aan de stekker doormeten met je meter, (Ohmse weerstand) Als je meter uitslaat, gaat piepen of een Ohmse waarde aangeeft is je antenne niet goed. Je mag geen 12Volt op de antenne kabel meten.
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Re: Radio - ruis

Berichtdoor Hans230CE » 16 apr 2014, 10:13

En heb nu radio als alles is aangesloten???
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Re: Radio - ruis

Berichtdoor DouweMeer » 16 apr 2014, 15:41

Nog steeds ruis :(. Hoe loopt de kabel en hoe kan ik 'm testen waar de 'breuk' zit, of zie je de breuk gewoon met het blote oog zitten?
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Re: Radio - ruis

Berichtdoor Herman250 » 16 apr 2014, 15:53

Eerst doormeten. Indien er een breuk inzit, zou je een erg hoge weerstand moeten meten (oneindig). Indien er een breuk inzit is deze lastig te vinden of de kabel moet echt doormidden zijn. Beste is om dan te vervangen.

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Re: Radio - ruis

Berichtdoor Hans230CE » 16 apr 2014, 22:09

De oplossing, zoals reeds vermeld, kabel nazien (misschien is hij bij een koppeling eruit) anders gewoon vernieuwen.

En zoals ik het altijd zeg, een paar kabels extra trekken van je middenconsole naar je hoedenplank, voor eventuele extra's die later worden gemonteerd. Je hebt het interieur nu toch half uit elkaar liggen.
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